Phase A — Understand the business
Lens 1 · Company Overview
XPeng sells Smart EVs and NEVs (now incl. EREV range-extender variants) to China's middle/upper-middle class, plus a fast-growing services line (technical R&D/licensing, supercharging, after-sales, parts, carbon credits). Two reported revenue buckets: vehicle sales and services & others.
- FY2025 total revenue RMB76,719.7M (vehicle RMB68,378.9M / 89.1%; services RMB8,340.8M / 10.9%).
- FY2025 deliveries 429,445 units, +125.9% YoY (190,068 in 2024; 141,601 in 2023).
- Model line (as of the filing): MONA M03 (low-ASP volume leader), Next P7, P7+ / P7+ EREV, G6 / G6 EREV, G7 / G7 EREV, G9, X9 / X9 EREV. New 2026 models incl. GX SUV.
- Distribution: 721 stores across 255 cities (mix of direct + franchised; franchise = asset-light).
- Customers = retail consumers (no buyer concentration), plus one structurally important B2B customer: the Volkswagen Group, which pays XPeng for E/E-architecture + platform technical services (see Lens 3/4). Employees: 19,884; R&D staff = 44.5% of headcount.
- Contract structure: vehicle revenue recognized at delivery; bundled lifetime warranties/charging/OTA are separate performance obligations deferred over time; the VW work is milestone/royalty (sales-based) technical-services revenue.
Read: this is a sub-scale-but-scaling OEM (≈430k units/yr vs. BYD's ~4M, Tesla's ~1.8M) that has pivoted from "ADAS-differentiated car company" to "physical-AI platform that happens to ship cars." The car P&L finally works at scale; the question is whether the AI optionality is worth the burn it demands.
Lens 2 · Supply Chain
Upstream → XPeng → end customer, named where the filing names them:
- Battery cells (single-source-ish): XPeng does not make cells; it has "fully qualified only a very limited number of suppliers" and "very limited flexibility in changing battery cell suppliers". China's incumbent cell suppliers are CATL and BYD/FinDreams (industry knowledge; not named in-filing) — XPeng also holds minority equity stakes in two NEV-battery makers (RMB190M Dec-2021 + RMB50M Apr-2022 + HK$157M Oct-2022) to secure supply. Chokepoint.
- Semiconductors / compute (single-source + geopolitical): does not make chips; imports advanced silicon; explicitly exposed to BIS export controls (Oct-2022 → Dec-2024 tightening) and the 2025 memory-chip shortage. Its in-house Turing AI chip ("processing hardware") tape-out Aug 2024 is the vertical-integration answer — but it relies on a foundry to fabricate (TSMC-class; not named in-filing) and "may not ramp in a cost-efficient manner, or at all". Chokepoint.
- mmWave radar / sensors (single-source): has experienced mmWave radar shortages that hit deliveries.
- Raw materials: steel, aluminium, lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese — commodity price exposure flagged.
- Manufacturing (owned): Zhaoqing + Guangzhou plants; Wuhan base construction completed (property cert obtained by Mar-31-2026). Plus third-party contract manufacturing in Europe + Southeast Asia (localized production initiated 2025).
- Downstream: direct + franchised stores; self-operated + partner supercharging network; OTA/cloud for software.
Read: the two named single-source chokepoints (cells, advanced compute) are exactly where US–China decoupling bites. The battery-maker equity stakes and the Turing chip are deliberate de-risking, but neither is proven at the volume XPeng needs.
Lens 3 · Competitive Advantages (moats)
- In-house full-stack AI/ADAS — XNGP rolled nationwide (no-HD-map) since Nov-2023; end-to-end model May-2024; Hawkeye vision (P7+, Nov-2024); VLA 2.0 rollout began Mar-2026; XNGP urban monthly-active penetration 85% (Jun-2025). Real software lead vs. most legacy OEMs — the durable edge if autonomy compounds.
- The Volkswagen licensing annuity (the under-appreciated moat). VW pays XPeng to put XPeng's E/E architecture into VW's China cars — and the Aug-2025 expansion extended it from EV platforms to VW's ICE + PHEV platforms (>70% of China auto sales). XPeng booked RMB1.72B of technology-licensing profit in H1-2025. This is high-margin, recurring, and a third-party validation of XPeng's tech that no pure-play China-EV peer has. The single best moat in the story.
- Cost/vertical integration — own chip, own OS, own powertrain → the FY24→FY25 vehicle-margin climb (8.3%→12.8%).
- Brand/scale — weaker. XPeng is a value-tech brand (MONA = entry), not a premium one (vs. Li Auto's family-SUV franchise or NIO's premium/BaaS). 721 stores is mid-pack.
Bargaining power: WEAK over cell/chip suppliers (single-source, they need XPeng less than XPeng needs them); WEAK over consumers in a price war (it is cutting prices, not raising them — see GX); STRONG and unusual over VW (VW chose to buy XPeng's IP — a rare instance of a Chinese upstart with leverage over a global incumbent).
Lens 4 · Segments
By product (FY2025, RMB000):
| Segment | 2023 rev | 2024 rev | 2025 rev | 2025 % | GM 2025 |
|---|
| Vehicle sales | 28,010,857 | 35,829,402 | 68,378,920 | 89.1% | 12.8% (vehicle margin) |
| Services & others | 2,665,210 | 5,036,907 | 8,340,822 | 10.9% | 68.2% |
| Total | 30,676,067 | 40,866,309 | 76,719,742 | 100% | 18.9% (blended GM) |
- Services margin is the story within the story: 68.2% gross margin (FY25) vs. 57.2% (FY24) — driven by VW technical-services/licensing, parts, and carbon credits. Services revenue grew +65.6% YoY and is structurally higher-margin than cars; Q1'26 auto-services revenue +43.6% YoY to RMB1.44B, "mainly due to technical services for Volkswagen". As services mixes up, blended margin compounds faster than the car business alone implies.
- By geography: the 20-F does not break out a clean geographic segment table; revenue is overwhelmingly China, with a nascent Europe/SE-Asia export + localized-production push (began 2025). Geography detail:
n/a — not segment-reported.
Trend: vehicle revenue +90.8% (FY25, volume-led + better mix); services +65.6% (margin-accretive). The acceleration is real but FY25-specific — Q1'26 reversed it (Lens 5).
Phase B — Measure performance
Lens 5 · Earnings Result
FY2025 (audited, the 20-F):
- Revenue RMB76,719.7M (+87.7% YoY) ≈ US$11.1B.
- Gross profit RMB14,472.9M; GM 18.9% (FY24 14.3%; FY23 1.5%) — a violent margin recovery.
- R&D RMB9,490.0M (+47.0%); SG&A RMB9,398.5M (+36.8%).
- Loss from operations RMB(2,771.4)M (FY24 −6,658.1; FY23 −10,889.4) — operating loss cut to −3.6% of revenue.
- Net loss RMB(1,139.5)M (FY24 −5,790.3; FY23 −10,375.8) — near breakeven, helped by RMB1,761.4M other income (government subsidies, +198.9%) and RMB1,163.2M interest income.
- Operating cash flow +RMB8,258.5M (FY24 −2,012.3) — a huge swing, largely working-capital (accounts-payable +RMB14,082.9M as volume ramped). Capex RMB3,347.1M → FCF positive on a reported basis.
- Balance sheet: cash+ST-investments+time-deposits RMB47,656.5M (incl. RMB6,071.5M restricted); total borrowings RMB12,708.8M (ST RMB4,282.0M + LT RMB8,426.8M) → net cash. Total equity RMB30,368.6M; total assets RMB103,162.6M.
Q1 2026 (the latest print — and it's a warning):
- Total revenue −17.6% YoY and −41.4% QoQ; vehicle revenue RMB11.00B (US$1.59B), −23.5% YoY / −42.3% QoQ.
- GM 20.6% (Q1'25 15.6%; Q4'25 21.3%); vehicle margin 12.1% (Q1'25 10.5%; Q4'25 13.0%). Cash RMB42.09B (US$6.10B).
- Guidance: Q2'26 deliveries 100,000–106,000.
The tension in one line: margins held up impressively (GM ~20%, well above NIO/BYD/Tesla on this metric) even as volume/revenue fell off a cliff YoY. That is the whole debate — is the FY25 ramp the trend, or was it a subsidy-juiced peak now mean-reverting?
Lens 6 · Earnings Calls (sentiment trend)
No transcripts on disk (transcripts=0). From `` proxies:
- Management's drumbeat through 2025→2026: margin discipline, services/VW monetization, AI leadership (VLA, Turing), and the physical-AI pivot (IRON/Robotaxi). He Xiaopeng personally took the CEO seat of the robotics unit (Jun-2026) — signaling robots are now a board-level priority, partly to fill a robotics-chief departure.
- Tone shift: from FY25 "we've cracked the margin/volume flywheel" to 1H26 "navigating a difficult NEV year (subsidy pullback + price war), bridging to a 2H26 new-model rebound." More defensive on near-term volume, more aggressive on the long-dated AI moonshots.
- What they're saying more of: VLA / world-models / robotaxi / humanoid. What they've gone quieter on: near-term unit guidance (the ~600k FY26 internal target now looks a stretch given −22.6% YTD).
Lens 7 · Comps
Pure-play China-EV + global EV peers. Multiples are `` (Jun-2026) or n/a. EV-makers here mostly have negative/near-zero earnings → P/E and dividend are largely n/a; the live comps are scale, vehicle margin, and EV/Sales.
| Company | Ticker | Mkt cap | EV/Sales | P/E | Div yld | Vehicle/Gross margin |
|---|
| XPeng | XPEV | ~US$12.5B (Jun-18-26) | n/a | n/a (loss-making) | 0% (never paid) | GM 20.6% Q1'26 |
| NIO | NIO | n/a | n/a | n/a (loss) | 0% | GM ~19.0% Q1'26 |
| Li Auto | LI | n/a | n/a | profitable | n/a | higher (family-SUV mix) |
| Xiaomi (EV) | 1810.HK | n/a | n/a | profitable group | n/a | standout EV profitability |
| BYD | 1211.HK | n/a | n/a | profitable | yes | vehicle margin ~17.6% |
| Tesla | TSLA | n/a | n/a | profitable | 0% | GM ~15.4% late-25 |
Lens 8 · Stock-Price Catalysts (what moves XPEV >5%)
From `` + filing history:
- Monthly delivery prints — the dominant catalyst. XPEV trades tick-for-tick on CnEVPost monthly numbers. (Jan–May 2026: 125,851, −22.6% YoY; May 32,158, −4.1% YoY but +3.7% MoM).
- New-model launches / order books — GX SUV got 24,863 firm orders in its first 12 hours; ~50k total May orders (+40% MoM) → a positive catalyst. MONA M03 launch (Aug-2024) was the prior volume inflection.
- VW deal milestones — each expansion (Jul-2024 master agreement; Aug-2025 ICE/PHEV expansion) is a re-rate catalyst.
- AI/robot reveals — IRON unveils, robotaxi announcements, He taking the robot-CEO role.
- Macro/policy — China NEV subsidy/purchase-tax changes (purchase-tax exemption steps down to half-rate, cap RMB15k, for 2026–27) and the EV price war / "anti-involution" rhetoric.
- The big down-move: −47% from the Nov-2025 high of $28.24, on persistent YoY delivery declines + subsidy pullback + "overextension" worry; Macquarie cut PT to $26.
Pattern: this is a delivery-momentum + narrative-optionality stock. It rallies on volume re-acceleration and AI catalysts; it breaks on YoY volume declines and price-war fear. Right now the tape is pricing the bear (volume) and discounting the bull (AI/VW).
Phase C — Judge people & books
Lens 9 · Management
- He Xiaopeng (Xiaopeng He), 48 — Co-founder / Chairman / CEO (and now CEO of the robotics unit, Jun-2026). Track record: co-founded UCWeb, sold it to Alibaba (2014), ran Alibaba Mobile / Tudou / Alibaba Games as president — a genuine founder-operator with a prior big exit. Founder archetype, technology-first, willing to make long-dated bets (chip, robot, eVTOL).
- Skin in the game: dual-class (Class A/B) → founder voting control. The 2025 CEO Award = 28,506,786 RSUs, vesting entirely on market conditions — three equal tranches unlocking only when the 30-day avg HK share price reaches HK$250 / HK$500 / HK$750. With shares far below those triggers, this is aggressively performance-aligned (he earns it only on a multi-bagger) — but also a tell of management's own price ambition and a future dilution source. Total board+exec cash comp RMB182M (FY25).
- Bench (unusually strong): Fengying Wang (President) — 30+ yrs auto, ex-Great Wall Motor vice-chairman/GM (a heavyweight industrial-operations hire, the adult-in-the-room for manufacturing/cost). Brian Gu (Hongdi Gu), Honorary Vice-Chairman & Co-President — ex-J.P. Morgan APAC IB chairman (capital-markets/deal brain; architected the VW and DiDi deals). Board includes ex-GGV/Granite Asia (Ji-Xun Foo), ex-Microsoft/Kingsoft (HongJiang Zhang), ex-Bosch China (Yudong Chen).
- Capital-allocation history: mixed-to-improving. Good: the DiDi smart-auto acquisition (2023) delivered the MONA M03 (the volume model) + robotaxi IP; the VW partnership (US$705.6M VW equity in + a recurring licensing annuity out) is a genuinely value-creative two-way deal. Riskier: minority stakes in battery makers + a US$150M Rockets Capital VC fund + eVTOL (Huitian) bets = capital sprayed across many frontier options. ROE/ROIC still negative (net-loss company) but the trajectory (−10.4B → −1.1B op... net loss) is sharply improving.
- Red flags (governance): standard China-ADR overhangs (VIE structure — though VIEs are immaterial to revenue; HFCAA/PCAOB audit-access risk; dual-class). The robotics-chief exit just as the robot unit ramps is a minor flag (mitigated by He stepping in). No related-party self-dealing of note beyond the disclosed DiDi/VW deals.
Read: this is one of the stronger management teams in China EV — a credible serial-founder CEO, a real industrial COO-type in Wang, and a deal-maker in Gu. The market-condition CEO grant is a positive incentive signal. The risk isn't competence; it's focus — they are running a car turnaround, a chip program, a humanoid robot, an eVTOL, a robotaxi, and an international expansion at once.
Lens 10 · Forensic Red Flags
Forensic lens, FY2025 20-F:
- Earnings quality: net loss −RMB1,139.5M but operating cash flow +RMB8,258.5M — the cash beat earnings, which is favorable, BUT it was dominated by a RMB14,082.9M jump in accounts/notes payable (stretching suppliers as volume ramped). That payable build reverses if volume falls — and Q1'26 volume did fall, so expect FY26 operating cash flow to give a chunk back. Watch the payables/working-capital unwind.
- Subsidy dependence: other income RMB1,761.4M (+198.9%), "primarily government subsidies" — i.e., a meaningful slice of the move toward breakeven is government money, not core operations. With purchase-tax exemption halving in 2026–27, this tailwind fades.
- Inventory & receivables: inventory +RMB5,772.1M and installment-payment receivables +RMB3,105.1M in FY25 (volume-driven); inventory write-downs RMB555.4M (FY24 RMB943.7M) — recurring write-downs tied to model cessations (G3i, P5, P7/P7i). Normal for a fast-cycling OEM but a margin drag to monitor.
- SBC: RMB564.3M (modest, ~0.7% of revenue) — but the 28.5M-RSU CEO award + the new 2025 Scheme (up to 10% of shares) is future dilution not yet in SBC.
- Intangibles/goodwill: DiDi-acquisition intangibles (VPT 10-yr life; VMT 5-yr); no goodwill impairment taken FY23–25; a RMB117.3M fair-value loss on the DiDi contingent-consideration derivative in FY25.
- Structure: Cayman holdco + PRC opcos + immaterial VIEs; HNTE 15% preferential tax rates across subsidiaries (renewal risk). Standard but real China-ADR complexity.
Regulatory findings (required):
- SEC:
regulatory-findings.md — 0 Litigation Releases, 0 AAERs naming XPeng (EDGAR EFTS, 2021–2026).
- Company's own disclosure (Item 8 / Item 4, Legal Proceedings): "We are currently not a party to any material legal or administrative proceedings.".
- Non-SEC web check: No material FTC/DOJ/CFPB/consent-decree hits found. The only historical items: an immaterial fine for unconsented facial-recognition use at Shanghai stores (terminated, data deleted); two product recalls — G3 (13,399 units, 2021, inverter) and P7+ (47,490 units, Sep-2025, steering-sensor wiring), both supplier-funded with minimal cost to XPeng; two historical trade-secret cases involving former employees (Apple criminal case — ex-employee pleaded guilty 2022, XPeng only subpoenaed for docs; Tesla civil case — dismissed with prejudice 2021, confidential settlement, XPeng not a defendant). No 2025 cybersecurity incident or data breach.
- Verdict: Clean — no material regulatory or accounting-fraud findings via SEC EDGAR EFTS (LR/AAER), web search, and 20-F Item 3/Item 8 as of 2026-06-21. The real forensic risks are quality-of-earnings (subsidy + payables-driven cash), not fraud.
Phase D — Project & stress-test
Lens 11 · Forward Projection
XPeng is near breakeven, not yet profitable — so the right projection is path-to-GAAP-net-profit + delivery trajectory, not a clean three-year EPS ladder. Built bottom-up from FY25 actuals + Q1'26 + monthly run-rate. Fiscal year = calendar year; "next three" = FY2026 / FY2027 / FY2028. All outputs ``, inputs labeled.
Volume:
- FY25 actual 429,445. YTD Jan–May'26 125,851, −22.6% YoY. Q2'26 guide 100–106k. Internal FY26 ambition ~600k (now a stretch).
- Bear FY26 ~430–460k (flat-to-slightly-up; new models only offset MONA/subsidy weakness). Base FY26 ~500–540k (GX + 4 new models drive a 2H re-acceleration; ~+15–25% YoY). Bull FY26 ~600k (the internal target; strong GX + int'l).
Revenue & margin:
- Q1'26 GM 20.6%, vehicle margin 12.1% — margins are holding ABOVE FY25's 18.9% blended even on lower volume, helped by VW services mix. Services (≈68% GM) keep mixing up.
- Base FY26 revenue ~RMB80–88B (flat-to-up on price-war ASP pressure offset by volume + services); blended GM ~19–21%.
Path to profit (the number that matters):
- FY25 net loss −RMB1.14B on +88% revenue. The incremental drop-through (services + scale) suggests GAAP net breakeven is plausible in FY26–FY27 if volume re-accelerates and subsidies don't fall faster than mix improves.
- Base: FY2026 ≈ GAAP-breakeven to small loss; first full-year GAAP net profit in FY2027..
- Bull: FY26 small net profit (if 600k + VW licensing steps up). Bear: FY26 net loss widens back toward −RMB3–4B if volume stays −20% and the payables/working-capital tailwind reverses.
No forecast.ts create (watchlist/breadth mode — Lens 11 logs a forecast only on a genuine committed base case; deferred to a /thesis pass). The scoreable line I would log: "XPEV reaches first full-year GAAP net profit by FY2027-end, p≈0.55."
Lens 12 · Bull vs Bear
Bull case. XPeng is the cheapest way to own three converging S-curves at a 52-week-low multiple: (1) a margin-inflecting car business (GM 1.5%→18.9%→~20.6%, vehicle margin now leading NIO/BYD/Tesla on the headline), net-cash, FCF-positive on a reported basis; (2) a high-margin, recurring VW software-licensing annuity that just tripled its TAM (extended to VW's ICE+PHEV China platforms, >70% of sales) — a third-party-validated moat no China-EV peer has; (3) free embodied-AI optionality — IRON humanoid (mass-pro end-2026, 1M-by-2030 ambition), AeroHT eVTOL (7,000+ orders, <$300k), robotaxi (3 models, DiDi IP) — that the market is currently valuing at roughly zero. The contrarian view: the market is extrapolating a subsidy-driven 1H26 volume air-pocket into a permanent demand failure, while ignoring that XPeng's gross margin is rising and its software annuity is structurally separate from the car price war. If GX + the 2H26 model wave re-accelerate deliveries, the stock re-rates on both volume and AI narrative.
Bear case. Three things that could permanently impair: (1) China NEV price war + subsidy withdrawal structurally caps ASPs and demand — XPeng is cutting GX prices to chase orders, the opposite of pricing power; MONA M03 (the volume model, ~44% of units) is the most subsidy- and price-sensitive part of the mix. (2) Strategic overextension — running a car turnaround, an in-house chip, a humanoid, an eVTOL, a robotaxi, AND international expansion simultaneously, while still loss-making, is a classic capital-incineration setup; the robotics-chief exit hints at execution strain. (3) The AI optionality may never monetize — humanoids and eVTOLs are pre-revenue moonshots with no proven unit economics; if they consume cash for years and the car business stays sub-scale, XPeng is just a perennially-breakeven OEM in the world's most brutal auto market. Pre-mortem (18 months out, thesis broke): FY26 deliveries finished flat-to-down (~430k, the ~600k target missed badly), the subsidy step-down + price war kept net income negative, IRON/eVTOL slipped and burned cash, and a capital raise diluted holders into a still-falling stock. On multiples: at ~US$12.5B for a 20%-GM, net-cash, near-breakeven OEM, the car business isn't expensive — but the bull case requires paying up for AI options that may be worth zero.
Lens 13 · Devil's Advocate (short-seller)
- Revenue concentration that bulls underweight: not customer concentration in cars, but (a) MONA M03 carrying ~44% of volume at the lowest ASP/margin and the highest subsidy sensitivity, and (b) the services-margin halo leaning on ONE customer — Volkswagen. "We primarily rely on the Volkswagen Group for the revenue arising from such [technical] services". If VW's China strategy shifts, in-sources, or the relationship cools, the single best part of the margin story evaporates. The 68% services margin is a VW-dependency dressed up as a moat.
- The margin recovery is partly borrowed: FY25's near-breakeven leaned on +199% government subsidies and a RMB14B payables build. Both fade/reverse. Strip them and the "we cracked profitability" narrative is thinner than the headline GM suggests.
- Most dangerous competitor bulls underestimate: Xiaomi. Xiaomi's EV unit is posting standout profitability and brand pull that XPeng's value-tech positioning can't match — plus BYD's cost wall below and Li Auto's family-SUV franchise beside. XPeng is squeezed from premium, volume, and cost simultaneously.
- What must hold for today's price: that the 1H26 −22.6% volume drop is a transient air-pocket (not structural demand loss), that GX/new models re-accelerate by 2H26, that subsidies don't fall faster than mix improves, and that the AI bets don't become a multi-year cash sink. If volume disappoints 20–30% vs. the ~600k target (i.e., finishes ~420–480k), there is no GAAP profit in FY26, subsidies are gone, and the stock's only support becomes the embedded options — which short-sellers value at ~zero. The single permanent-impairment scenario: a forced, deeply-dilutive equity raise into a sustained price war while the AI moonshots are still pre-revenue. Plausible but not base-case given the RMB42B cash / net-cash balance sheet — the cash cushion is XPeng's best defense against the bear.
Lens 14 · Management Questions (ordered by information value)
- FY26 deliveries are −22.6% YTD vs. a ~600k internal target — what is the honest exit-rate volume you're underwriting for 2H26, and what specifically (GX, new models, int'l) bridges the gap?
- What share of the 68%-margin services line is Volkswagen, and what is the contracted floor/duration of that licensing revenue if VW slows its China program?
- Of FY25's path to breakeven, how much was government subsidy + working-capital (payables) that won't recur — i.e., what is "clean" structural operating profit at this volume?
- As purchase-tax exemption halves in 2026–27, what's the demand-elasticity assumption for MONA M03, your most subsidy-sensitive volume model?
- What is the committed multi-year cash budget for IRON + AeroHT + robotaxi combined, and at what milestone would you cut or spin out any of them?
- IRON: what is the realistic FY27–28 revenue and gross margin, not just unit ambition — who pays, and at what price, for the first 100k units?
- Why is He Xiaopeng personally running the robotics unit, and what does the prior robotics-chief's departure tell us about execution risk there?
- Vehicle margin 12.1% in a price war — what's the floor, and how much is structural (Turing chip, integration) vs. cyclical (subsidy, mix)?
- Turing chip: is it in volume production yet, what % of the fleet runs it, and what's the cost-per-vehicle saving vs. merchant silicon?
- What is your financing plan through FY27 — do you expect to need an equity raise, and under what conditions?
- International (Europe/SE-Asia localized production): what unit volume and margin in FY27, and how do you clear tariff/geopolitical risk?
- eVTOL (AeroHT/Huitian): 7,000+ orders at <$300k — what's the certification path and the first hard delivery-and-revenue year?
- How do you defend the value-tech brand against Xiaomi's pull above and BYD's cost wall below?
- Capital allocation: with net cash and recurring losses, why a US$150M VC fund (Rockets Capital) and minority battery stakes rather than concentrating on the core?
- What is the single metric you want shareholders to judge you on over the next 24 months?